35.09 - MU Podcast - When Time Leaks

00:06 Welcome back to Mysterious Universe, season 35, episode 9. Today we're going to be talking about, well, I don't want to say the same thing, but a little bit of time slippage through a different lens. But this is from our good old buddy, old pal Dirk Gillibel from a couple shows ago. I think it was the last extension. So this will be the Free Feed's first introduction to Mr. Dirk here.

00:51 Yes, there's more time slips that you did? Yeah, it's more time slips, but he also kind of ties it into the Akashic records and you know, so we'll figure it out as we go here. But again, another random PDF from the archive that I dug up and I'm really liking the stories that he collects. And yes, some of them are from Reddit or podcast interviews and things like that, but it's still interesting. And if they're presented as a true story, then we will cover it. Not all of Reddit is terrible, most of Reddit is awful from what I hear. Before we get started though, I'm Joe Hodgdon and joining me of course is Brandon Thomas. Yeah, how do? G'day mate, everything well in your world? Oh, thanks for doing a quick Aussie accent, I know there's a lot of people that miss that and we should try that. I don't even think about it honestly, it's subconscious.

02:26 threads, didn't even know what the hell that was, but Instagram was like, you want to be on this? I'm like, do I? Okay. So I thank you for soldiering that forest, man, because I just have no fucking interest in social media. Thank you so much for soldiering this. I would because it's part of the job if you didn't want to, but you stepped up and I really appreciate you for that. It's a real post and ghost situation. I do it with the show pages. I just throw the promos up there and then get out. It's a garbage fire most of the time, especially Facebook. Holy hell, man. It's just sad. And that's why I'm not there. And that's the thing. It's so just removed from my priorities that it's fascinating. But again, it's part of the gig and we appreciate your service, sir. Thank you. Well, no problem. I was thinking too about

03:09 For the clips for the show if anybody's interested in your good at doing that type of thing i'm gonna outsource that job and pull pull clips from the shows anything you think is no interesting or funny or whatever and send them to me joe mysterious universe dot org or you can send it to brandon to. And will put those out on the socials cuz. It is it actually takes more time than you think to pull a good clip and make it a decent thing and people's attention spans are so short that you have to try to find a clip that captures what you're talking about in 20 seconds or less. Otherwise, nobody's watching it. It's pretty crazy like that. It's it's and again, it's just that sort of do I want to throw my

03:51 I guess lure in that water is what I'll say because that's what it feels like you're fishing for sort of attention. What I like about it's just kind of looking at it like we're letting folks know look we put something new out here's a little sample of it we got a lot of cool shit going on don't spend too much time on this social media stuff and go other places. This is sort of our maybe message to all that stuff you know just choose your distractions wisely guys. Yes do have distractions that's good but choose wisely. Yes. Maybe put it towards creating something instead of consuming. Yeah, and especially maybe temper that with a time limit. I know folks that will set a time limit of 15 minutes a day to get on that thing, check messages, maybe surf a little bit, and then they've gotten their fix and they're out. You know, and maybe that's a great mindfulness practice. Oh yeah, there's whole apps that lock your certain apps for parts of your day.

04:35 Parts of the day or only let you on for you know from 6 to 6 30 at night or something like that And I'm not an abstinence guy like fucking live your life guys. You know what I mean I'll have a dr. Pepper every now and then as wild as that sounds but live your life because it's about mental fortitude But also you know be aware of what's what that is you know you're gonna hear the product that Dr pepper there's so many anti doctor pepper people on text it's just it's what it is guys i'm gonna have a soda or a coke as we call it in the south we don't say pop or whatever we just say a coke but what kind of coke well i want to doctor pepper you know that's a midwest thing i think so yeah give me a pop man.

04:35 Parts of the day or only let you on for you know from 6 to 6 30 at night or something like that And I'm not an abstinence guy like fucking live your life guys. You know what I mean I'll have a dr. Pepper every now and then as wild as that sounds but live your life because it's about mental fortitude But also you know be aware of what's what that is you know you're gonna hear the product that Dr pepper there's so many anti doctor pepper people on text it's just it's what it is guys i'm gonna have a soda or a coke as we call it in the south we don't say pop or whatever we just say a coke but what kind of coke well i want to doctor pepper you know that's a midwest thing i think so yeah give me a pop man.

05:13 Alright so we're gonna get into this and again this is not a book I can link to unless it's part of a book but it's PDF so if you want it if you want the whole thing I can send it to you otherwise we'll just link to the sites that I linked to last time that he's apparently associated with our buddy Dirk Gillibel. So he opens in this PDF he opens with the idea of accidentally viewing of past scenes and this goes into and it's not going to be like full crystal shop right out the gate but it does get weird fast. And so every once in a while and by that I mean rarely but you know often enough to notice a pattern perfectly normal people report something unsettling and not while meditating or on drugs they're not trying to astral project or summon an entity or anything like that they're just doing normal things walking driving sightseeing just killing time.

06:06 And then without warning, the world slides sideways and not metaphorically, literally. Which is there a quantified direction like it goes from the left to the right like a swipe on a video I think it's just a an easiest way to look at what he's trying to to get out with this just something shifts in general could be left right literally down Okay, just click for clarity. Thank you Just like you know standing on a regular modern street or in a building or in a patch of woods and for a few seconds Maybe a minute the place is no longer now. It's then another Another era maybe another century and like we've talked about before it's not fuzzy or dreamlike. It's this sharp realer than real thing that you hear reported from.

06:49 Indies or even from your dmt trips where it was but we saw colors we never saw before it was it seem more real than your waking life and we carry things to the counter because they were such a good deal and couldn't pay for them. Can we touch objects interacted with folks at that time had credit cards were left out of the building. And if things like hearing sounds that don't belong you know like the horses and carts or maybe crowds or languages they don't understand smelling things that you wouldn't normally smell in that environment like smoke or damp wood old fabric or that hospital smell you know that like antiseptic.

07:31 Other things like seeing clothing styles that you've only seen in paintings or old photos, just random stuff like that. Or sometimes you see people who may or may not see them back and we went over that with the time slip thing, the three different types. I think it was three different types, but you know where the people in the time slip notice you noticing them. That's right. Yeah, but then just as abruptly as it starts, it's gone like someone just shut the door on it and it's just over now. In jerks angle on this and he's really clear this is not the only possible explanation but is that these moments they might be accidental tune ins or something traditionally called or to something traditionally called the Akashic records and that term makes your eyes glaze over just hang out.

07:31 Other things like seeing clothing styles that you've only seen in paintings or old photos, just random stuff like that. Or sometimes you see people who may or may not see them back and we went over that with the time slip thing, the three different types. I think it was three different types, but you know where the people in the time slip notice you noticing them. That's right. Yeah, but then just as abruptly as it starts, it's gone like someone just shut the door on it and it's just over now. In jerks angle on this and he's really clear this is not the only possible explanation but is that these moments they might be accidental tune ins or something traditionally called or to something traditionally called the Akashic records and that term makes your eyes glaze over just hang out.

08:19 He's not saying there's a literal cosmic library floating around somewhere with leather bound volumes, you know, labeled Venice 1552, even though that would be cool. So cool columns in the white granite everywhere, you know, could fly through the thing. Yeah, uneditable. So you can go see the original proper text. Actually, what happened? Fascinating. Actually learn stuff. And he goes out of his way to say that when people describe it like that, it's probably just, you know, the human mind putting a familiar image on something that's way stranger and harder to grasp. So it's an easy way to, you know, picture it. The way he comes out of those more like reality might be sitting inside an informational field that records everything, every event, thought, emotion, action, and not symbolically, but energetically. So an energetic record and

09:10 That field isn't somewhere else, it's everywhere, layered right on top of this physical world. Like we said, kind of sideways, shifted or out of phase like we say so many times. So normally most people are locked into the present moment like a radio stuck on one station. Usually a bad station, terrible, right? It's country, but not even good country, you know? Yeah, it's Brad Paisley. Oh God, fucking achy breaky heart. But under very specific conditions, such as maybe emotional stress or location-based anomalies, or just cosmic bad luck, the signal slips. And the really creepy part is it's not always one way. So sometimes when people slip into these past scenes, they experience something that feels less like watching a recording and more like stepping into someone else's body. Kind of like when you have those weird dreams, you know, where you feel like, I'm me, but this isn't me. This isn't my wrist. Yeah.

10:09 like seeing through their eyes type of thing, standing where they stood, wearing what they wore and importantly, especially in a dream sense, feeling what they felt. So you get to feel the enchiladas they had the night before they shouldn't have. The grudge. Yeah. Oh, massive GI distress. I didn't do that to myself. In the outhouse too. You get a breeze going in there, the smells are just realistic. Why do these experiences have to be that real? Can you leave the smells out of it? I can tailor this a little bit. This brings up an obvious question. So if it's just a recording or the, you know, the stone tape idea, then why does it react? So I thought that too, I thought if it's reacting to you, then it can't just be this, uh, replaying of an event. And a lot of times they don't, the stone tape ones are more like in war areas, say like Gettysburg. There's

11:04 you'll see like a Confederate soldier walking by but it like loops and it seems to be more of a recording where it's just doing the same thing over and over again. So that's more of a type one where they kind of ignore you, they don't acknowledge you, they're just on this repetitive loop, it's just witnessed by you and that could be what actual time is for other entities as us sort of just meandering through our days, it's type one for them because we can't see them so they feel like we don't interact with them but they could see everything we're doing, that's interesting. But this is fascinating about the loop stuff because now if it's interactable, is that either a different reality? Is it not a reality at all and more of a holographic experience, a simulated one like you said and you can get into the what we said would have been an occupant of that time which is just a simulation at a level? Or is it this idea that you did animate that character in that time for a minute and is this what some of the cases of mental hysteria or something like this are where someone hops into a body?

12:00 It's not that their body transferred to the time, it's that their consciousness swapped with the consciousness of someone in that time in their body. So they took over the avatar, sort of like you were talking about, about things that can just hop in the ride if nobody's paying attention. And who knows what was going on situationally with those guys. But now you're walking around in this 1800s, you may have been classified as somebody that went nuts if you didn't know what was going on or people that got stuck there, let's say, or something. It's just interesting to think about. Yep. If you think maybe this is what actual time travel is and if it's reacting or interacting with you when you do that Is that changing the past maybe that's where Mandela effects come from and that's true, too If you're moving the hand around and you go nuts But you transfer to the body of some mayor back in the town in Chicago at some important time in history And then you just went nuts that mayor got locked up and then you affected time because you just hopped into this body You took it over Freaky Friday style, but didn't you know mean to but you fucked

12:57 it all up and then yeah maybe the Nazis come over and now we're all speaking German. Thanks a lot. Hey that was a great show though, The Man in the High Castle. It showed if the Axis powers had won World War II, what it might look like. Interesting. Great idea. It's terrifying but it was a great idea. Yeah, fun thought experiment. So Dirk leans pretty heavily into the idea that certain locations act like weak spots so energy structures or vortexes, dimensional doorways, call them what you want, these spots fluctuate, they're kind of unstable and once in a while a human nervous system wanders into just the right frequency to interact with them. Most of the time nothing happens.

13:34 Sometimes people feel dizzy, sometimes euphoric, occasionally they fear pure terror. The kind that doesn't come from thought but from the body itself. Like every cell is screaming, you don't belong here, get the fuck out. Man, imagine that, like they talk about people rejecting, what was it, rejecting implants and things like that, right? You get a hip or something like that and your body tries to reject it. But imagine that, the body knows that the soul that's occupying it right now shouldn't be there and it starts to fight to repel it as if it's getting a splinter out of itself or something. Yeah, maybe that's what DMT is. It's like astral anti-rejection medicine. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

13:34 Sometimes people feel dizzy, sometimes euphoric, occasionally they fear pure terror. The kind that doesn't come from thought but from the body itself. Like every cell is screaming, you don't belong here, get the fuck out. Man, imagine that, like they talk about people rejecting, what was it, rejecting implants and things like that, right? You get a hip or something like that and your body tries to reject it. But imagine that, the body knows that the soul that's occupying it right now shouldn't be there and it starts to fight to repel it as if it's getting a splinter out of itself or something. Yeah, maybe that's what DMT is. It's like astral anti-rejection medicine. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

14:14 And that's something that keeps on coming up in these stories. The fear isn't just psychological, it's instinctive, as if crossing one more step might mean you don't come back. And we covered that on the last time, is what happens to people who don't come back. Right, right. So this brings us to the actual stories themselves. And this is where he stops being theoretical and starts getting very specific about these. He doesn't just summarize folklore either. He's collecting these firsthand accounts. So Reddit posts, podcast interviews, witness statements, people who in many cases didn't even know this was a thing until years later. And something that becomes pretty obvious almost immediately is that these people aren't telling fun ghost stories. They're

14:55 Like a lot of the special with the ufo culture there confused or embarrassed about it some of them waited years before saying anything because they were afraid of being labeled crazy and others only share them because someone finally else someone else finally describe the same thing happening to them and you'll see this pattern again and again as we go on. they weren't looking for the past, it's almost like the past found them. Oh man. So in this next part we're gonna go into one of the crazier cases in his entire collection. It's the organ vortex. And I don't know if anybody out there is familiar with the organ vortex. I've definitely heard of it and if you want to look more into it, there's videos on YouTube, there's I'm sure there's whole podcasts about just the organ vortex. And there's a lot of skepticism like everything else.

21:33 In the wrong spot not supposed to be here and nick mr nelson here calls it body fear and that phrase matters because he says his intellect keeps functioning he observes clothing details he's tracking distances and he remembers the sequence nervous system is convinced he's standing on the edge of something lethal you know that but then a man appears. Okay, what if this is like some sort of time slip to where we're right there in that spot not only did something horrible happen Maybe but that's a cliff in another dimension. You know what I mean? It looks like you're a normal It's a normal area for you, but it's some in some time It was another cliff even though not visible maybe is the emotion is that another sense that we can add to this It doesn't need to be any of the other types Maybe there's a type negative one where you feel fucking weird, but everything looks pretty normal. Yeah

22:19 Yeah, we talked about that too with the way that the ground changes over time and maybe that's why sometimes ghosts are halfway lower. Yeah, the ground was lower back then. Right, right. Maybe there was some high point there. Maybe it's I don't it's just an interesting thing to just be overwhelmed with that feeling right there again. Maybe something horrible happened there. More than likely. So, skeptics sometimes try to frame this, the man appearing as a hallucination induced by stress or expectation, but again, the context doesn't cooperate. Nelson wasn't expecting anything and the figure doesn't behave like a projection. He's engaged in kind of a parallel task. He's using a compass standing in a place that makes sense for him, for this guy that shows up. Right. If anything, he expected things to be normal and they defied his expectations when they weren't.

23:07 Yeah, and plus that mixed with his weird emotional state that all of a sudden happened, you know, exactly. Uh, in the clothing of course is period specific, but it wasn't this theatrical over the top thing. Just a wool coat, leather boots, walking stick, this practical for the time, uh, type of getup that he's wearing. So this isn't a ghost wearing Victorian cause cause play. It's a working man in a field and then there's snow. And this wrecks a lot of easy explanations too because he knows the temperature, Mr. Nelson here. He's been outside all morning, snow on the roof isn't symbolic or anything, it's environmental. It relies on entirely different seasonal context overlapping the present that he's apparently experiencing. Yeah, that's the thing, you time slip, but not even to the same season, the same time of year, you time slip to another season. Yeah.

23:07 Yeah, and plus that mixed with his weird emotional state that all of a sudden happened, you know, exactly. Uh, in the clothing of course is period specific, but it wasn't this theatrical over the top thing. Just a wool coat, leather boots, walking stick, this practical for the time, uh, type of getup that he's wearing. So this isn't a ghost wearing Victorian cause cause play. It's a working man in a field and then there's snow. And this wrecks a lot of easy explanations too because he knows the temperature, Mr. Nelson here. He's been outside all morning, snow on the roof isn't symbolic or anything, it's environmental. It relies on entirely different seasonal context overlapping the present that he's apparently experiencing. Yeah, that's the thing, you time slip, but not even to the same season, the same time of year, you time slip to another season. Yeah.

24:00 I mean, that would make sense depending, I guess, on where you're slipping to. Sure, I mean there's no guarantee you're going to slip to something like we talked about with the compass. Maybe you're slipping to some other reality where north is to your left instead of where you were going which is facing forward which is north in your world. Yeah. And then he drops his compass and catches it midair and I don't... for some reason I think I left this part... I accidentally deleted a section of my notes I think. Anyway, it had something to do with his body thought he was in an emergency. So then he sees other things like the two shacks start overlapping and the distance starts warping. And these are a lot of the things that are reported in this organ vortex is that distances seem off. And again, it could be optical illusions according to the skeptics.

24:55 It's weird warping, like the sensation of being enormous, like you feel enormous, it's almost like an Alice in Wonderland thing. Or you feel real small. I wonder if they got surveyors out there, what they would say. You know, these folks who map the land and can show mathematical context for their reasons for sight lines and things like that. And then if it's consistent. Yeah. And then and so he's coherent this whole time again there's no cognitive like fragmentation or anything he's he's just watching all this happen in real time and then all of a sudden right up to his to his ear he hears oh Jesus and it wasn't this echoing like mystical sound and not booming it was just a quiet human really close to his ear like startled.

25:43 Yeah, which is funny because it doesn't really say where that comes from but if it was if he was actually slipping then it was somebody else. Yes, now it's a class three right where they can hear you and you can hear them. Wow. Because a lot of sound is not associated with these. And so if you hear something like Jesus, because you just blipped into somebody else's hike. Yeah, that's pretty jarring. So if this was just an internal hallucination, why would this be such a mundane phrase? Or, you know, why wouldn't it be something symbolic? But why not just silence?

26:21 Yeah, because if he was making this up or if it was a hallucination, you'd think it would be something grander or floofier, you know, like the channelers like, oh, love and light. Right. And then the other stories with the girls who with that little girl who saw a bunch of stuff in the bombed out city, it was a lot of elaborate stuff. Folks kept popping in, but there's no sound associated with it whatsoever. So then again, the fact their sound at all was very interesting on this. Yeah. And I'll try to I'll try to link to this specific story to. So the simplest explanation and most disturbing of course is the one Nelson, I think he subscribes to this, that somebody else was just as shocked to see him. Yes. You're in somebody else's ghost story. You're a ghost in somebody else's story. That's crazy. That'd be fun to look up ghost stories from whatever time period that was and see if somebody ran into some futuristic guy.

27:11 wearing very strange clothing indeed. Sneakers, he said. So now we're not talking about somebody witnessing the past like a recording like we talked about earlier, we're talking about two observers briefly occupying the same coordinates from different temporal landmarks, I guess. And that could get dangerous. What if you time slip into somebody else's body, like physical where they're occupying in space? Is that possible? And now you're just a conjoined twin, like a, a quaddo kind of thing. Some weird Philadelphia experiment type stuff. Exactly, yes. If decades earlier he had an experience where the woods warped, the shack duplicated, and a massive vibrating human figure appeared where none should exist,

27:48 Would you publish that? And skeptics often ask, why aren't there more cases like this? The better question might be how many people decided never to talk about it again? Yes. Or came back at all. Yeah, Nelson himself almost didn't talk about it again. And one final skeptical point deserves respect. Could this have been psychological? And everybody always goes, it's all in your head, of course. Maybe. Dissociative episode, possibly? But psychology alone doesn't explain the precise environmental inconsistencies like the snow, the apparent mutual recognition of these two people, and the identical fear response described in unrelated cases elsewhere. The organ vortex case doesn't prove time slips, of course.

28:37 Mr derrick here never cleaned it does what it proves something a little harder to dismiss that some locations behave as if the boundary between then and now is unstable. And once in a great while two people on opposite sides of that boundary notice each other and when that happens they both have kind of the same reaction the fear not curiosity just fear. Which suggests that whatever's happening there isn't meant to be navigated but brushed against accidentally like touching a live wire you didn't know was exposed. And that's why the Oregon Vortex sits right at the heart of this collection of stories. How wild. Then we go to ordinary places but with totally unordinary glitches.

28:37 Mr derrick here never cleaned it does what it proves something a little harder to dismiss that some locations behave as if the boundary between then and now is unstable. And once in a great while two people on opposite sides of that boundary notice each other and when that happens they both have kind of the same reaction the fear not curiosity just fear. Which suggests that whatever's happening there isn't meant to be navigated but brushed against accidentally like touching a live wire you didn't know was exposed. And that's why the Oregon Vortex sits right at the heart of this collection of stories. How wild. Then we go to ordinary places but with totally unordinary glitches.

29:22 One of the things I really like about how Dirk structures this is that after dropping that bananas organ vortex case, he doesn't immediately try to one-up it with something flashier. Instead, he does something smarter and a little creepier. He takes us somewhere boring. There's no vortex in here or mystery house or ancient ruins, just everyday life. And this is the school that wasn't there anymore. What makes this case a little more unsettling isn't because of the spectacle of it, it's how unremarkable it is while it's happening. Like we said, no vortex or anything like that, just a man having what feels like a completely normal, almost forgettable afternoon. And that seemed to be common, I think it was in the

30:03 Maybe the time slips by that other guy. Absolutely boring normal afternoon is when these things seem to happen. It's almost like it catches you off guard intentionally. So this guy had just gotten word that his paternal twin has been in a serious accident and not expected to live. And that by itself puts you in a weird headspace obviously. Twins are already kind of weird, everybody knows that. No offense to the twins but y'all are a little weird. Shout out but you're weird. So he rushes home and his brother is in a coma. And the family is kind of doing a rotational shift in the hospital and sitting watching waiting, which is the worst when you're doing that. And the days get blurry. The time just gets weird in itself. I'm just teasing peas. You're like absolutely exhausted but also wired because you're thinking about what's going to happen. And yeah, it's very interesting. One of the days when he's not on his shift waiting at the hospital, he wanders next door to his old junior high school.

31:05 And that's a little important because it's right next door. This isn't some long drive or a nostalgic road trip or anything. It's right there, right in the geography of his childhood. Important formative years, routines, sitting in classrooms, walking these hallways hundreds of times. So he sits on the steps of this school. And that alone should tell you that the building is physically there present it's physically present right there steps and the entrance to the school and he's not questioning it why would he, he starts reminiscing old days old memories again perfectly normal behavior for someone under this emotional strain. Even thinks about going inside maybe wandering the halls you know.

31:51 being nostalgic but he doesn't and why because he remembers seeing recent news reports about a child or a possible child molester hanging out around the playgrounds there oh And that's another mundane detail but it sets the scene firmly in his modern awareness of where is that this isn't someone lost in some reverie or daydream. He's just making a rational present present day safety calculation so he decides not worth the risk to do that so he stays outside and the bell rings and this is where it goes off the rails a bit kids start coming out parents arrive.

32:31 pick up the kids but of course the cars aren't right. They're 1950s era vehicles. Not old cars or classic looking. He recognized them very specifically as mid-century models, the kinds of cars that belonged to his childhood era, not the present day he was apparently in right now. And everything about it seems right, like the timing is right, the behavior of everybody, the pickup time just goes as it's supposed to. And the weird thing is that nothing alarms him about this. He doesn't feel fear in this situation. He's not even confused. He just watches it and feels like it's normal enough that he leaves afterwards and goes home.

33:15 So if this were a hallucination, you'd expect what, confusion, distortion, something feels wrong. But this one didn't show itself as strange. It just kind of slides under the radar. Well, he may have been just so overwhelmed with grief that that grief feeling couldn't touch what he was already feeling. You know, maybe the sadness is only there if you're sensitive to it. Overwrote it. Yeah. Is it overwrote or overrid? It's overrid now. I don't give a shit. Overrid. I love it. All all full full aluminum full and casually later at home is mother asking what he's been doing so he just mentioned sitting on the steps of his old junior high thinking about the past and watching school let out and she just shut that down immediately and she says that's impossible the school school was torn down two years ago got done so no steps no building no entrance and.

34:13 So he didn't imagine being there he physically occupied a space that should not exist. So when people drove by they saw him sitting four feet off the ground just in a squat position on what used to be stairs that weren't there anymore but he's just floating in a field. Doing like a weird wall sit. Yeah. Just floating. Skyshitting. So unlike some of the other stories there is no ambiguity here this isn't I thought I saw something this is the location that had been erased from the present. What's especially creepy is what didn't happen that no one noticed him no one interacted with him and no one said hey who's that guy randomly sitting in the air over there. Who so he kind of disappeared into the time so even when he felt like he was sitting in somewhere that a time was going over he was transported to that time that in this case and removed from the time where he would have been visible at all or is it because you interact.

35:05 Other people's ability to see you there sort of some realm maybe i don't think effect but that if something like that is happening to you just aren't visible to anyone else around you it's almost like a shut off like an automatic thing. Yeah. It's so weird. It's so many thoughts. Right, did he go there? Like were the smells different? All that kind of stuff. Was it even the same time of day where school would have been picked up at? Well that's the thing is that he says that everything was totally normal. That's what the weirdness about it is that everything was perfectly normal. Like he just wandered into this space, all these things happened and he's like, oh that's neat. Goes home and then realizes it was torn down two years ago.

35:45 Cause even then are you looking down at your hands going, oh these are my little hands, I'm now in my little body. Like how much awareness do you self-check yourself? Are you like, oh shit, what shirt am I wearing? You know, oh I didn't have this in 6th grade. That's the thing about this one is that he didn't even think to do that because everything was so normal. He didn't notice anything off. Exactly. Damn. And then that's the thing too, you're putting almost a state not to question it, not to take pictures, not to get your phone out in some of these cases of really weird shit. It's interesting. So yeah, he was effectively invisible. He wasn't an observer allowed to witness a routine moment in the past, or no, he was allowed to, but didn't participate. And of course, the timing of all this is during his emotional distress, this whole family crisis and the.

35:45 Cause even then are you looking down at your hands going, oh these are my little hands, I'm now in my little body. Like how much awareness do you self-check yourself? Are you like, oh shit, what shirt am I wearing? You know, oh I didn't have this in 6th grade. That's the thing about this one is that he didn't even think to do that because everything was so normal. He didn't notice anything off. Exactly. Damn. And then that's the thing too, you're putting almost a state not to question it, not to take pictures, not to get your phone out in some of these cases of really weird shit. It's interesting. So yeah, he was effectively invisible. He wasn't an observer allowed to witness a routine moment in the past, or no, he was allowed to, but didn't participate. And of course, the timing of all this is during his emotional distress, this whole family crisis and the.

36:27 The shifts in the hospital is just exhausted. He wasn't disassociated or unconscious. He's just psychologically permeable, I guess. Okay, that's a great way to put it. Yeah. And Dirk doesn't push any kind of explanation here. This isn't a vortex. Again, this is not an ancient ritual site. Like a mound or a burial ground or anything like that. How old was the school though? We need history on the school. Because I had a guy on last show and he talked about that a lot of times what they'll do when they're building or put up new schools, even to this day, is do rituals on the grounds themselves and either build them over really interesting sacred places, sometimes it's again why those old buildings may have been there and then apprehended to turn into something else.

37:11 Or you got like what's going on underneath the ground under there but also again this idea of, and it's sick and disgusting but this guy talked about that they put sigils underneath playgrounds and shit so when kids are there it's like collecting their energy. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. Public school system, yeah again, you dodged a pretty big bullet. But it's again interesting what happens on school grounds especially. There's something about them and so yes, there could be fuckery afoot in just the physical grounds because it was a school. And that's kind of what, yeah, it's a completely ordinary place, but it's saturated with repeated human activity. These decades of the schedules, the bells, routines, all the childhood emotions, boredom, anxiety, even childhood trauma, unfortunately, just layered over each other day after day after day.

37:56 And if the Akashic record idea holds any water at all, this is exactly the kind of place where the residue would accumulate. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. Yeah, I could see that. And again, like we said, the scene he sees isn't dramatic. There's no tragedy or fire or crime or just dismissal of school. When is it just so traumatic that you're so sensitive to it, almost like an action movie is going to catch your attention more than some chick flick when you walk by a movie theater. Like are all moments stored, it's just that one had a lot of impact or those moments weigh a lot and so therefore they're accessible more or they catch your eye more. Yeah, I mean maybe. It didn't seem like he had a choice either. It just kind of was like here's the thing you get to see today. Yeah, it's like grief offered him sort of a little break from everything.

38:41 And this is where he argues that maybe there is this Akashic record of everything being recorded. Maybe it's not just the emotionally charged events, you know, because they say that with the stone tape theory, things like, like I said, Gettysburg or any of these high impact things like those are recorded and imprinted on there. But maybe if it's the Akashic idea, then maybe just the routine itself leaves an imprint when it's repeated enough times. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be horrific for it to exist. And that's a great point that he's making. We see Gettysburg and things like that because they were battlefields. And so therefore we associate it with trauma and then therefore, oh, that's why we like to use that as a reason why something phenomenal could be there. It's more comforting, I suppose, than the idea that it could just be any old where for any old time, any old reason. I know. And that's what makes it the high strangeness of it is because if you were making up a story about time slipping or some weird experience,

38:41 And this is where he argues that maybe there is this Akashic record of everything being recorded. Maybe it's not just the emotionally charged events, you know, because they say that with the stone tape theory, things like, like I said, Gettysburg or any of these high impact things like those are recorded and imprinted on there. But maybe if it's the Akashic idea, then maybe just the routine itself leaves an imprint when it's repeated enough times. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be horrific for it to exist. And that's a great point that he's making. We see Gettysburg and things like that because they were battlefields. And so therefore we associate it with trauma and then therefore, oh, that's why we like to use that as a reason why something phenomenal could be there. It's more comforting, I suppose, than the idea that it could just be any old where for any old time, any old reason. I know. And that's what makes it the high strangeness of it is because if you were making up a story about time slipping or some weird experience,

39:37 I guess if you wanted to make it more believable, it would be mundane, but really it's a boring thing that happened. It's just the circumstances around it that are bizarre. But I like that that's why he brought it up and you included it is because it is so so innocuous that makes it Important is because it's not a Mary Antoinette or all these characters gathered in a really freaky time-slip experience It's it's something very innocuous and almost like a memory but like a lived memory from that time again not even a traumatic or Exceptional one just a very basic, but maybe again some of those simple moments in life are the best and maybe that's what he was shown in that well, and a lot of them are mundane like the

39:37 I guess if you wanted to make it more believable, it would be mundane, but really it's a boring thing that happened. It's just the circumstances around it that are bizarre. But I like that that's why he brought it up and you included it is because it is so so innocuous that makes it Important is because it's not a Mary Antoinette or all these characters gathered in a really freaky time-slip experience It's it's something very innocuous and almost like a memory but like a lived memory from that time again not even a traumatic or Exceptional one just a very basic, but maybe again some of those simple moments in life are the best and maybe that's what he was shown in that well, and a lot of them are mundane like the

40:15 whatever street that was in Liverpool I believe it was where Bond Street maybe? Oh yes the bookstore. Yeah wait nothing crazy happened he just flipped into another time and then it just went away just as quick like it wasn't anything crazy. Yeah exactly. I mean the story itself is nuts but not not what was happening. That's the idea you'd just be walking along oh I'm in this time now. So then we get uh to a little more intimate kind of slips the ones where people don't just see the past but become part of it So there's a woman living in a battered women's shelter in Old Town, Winchester, Virginia, already a place that's soaked in history. She's walking past an old Ford-era building, which is now an antique shop. She's kind of emotionally vulnerable, obviously coming from a battered shelter. She's displaced, probably always on edge.

41:06 And then she feels the air shiver. And that's the word she uses. She knows her physical body is still in the present. She's not blacking out, but her vision shifts. The street becomes colonial America. Why does it always seem to go back to like colonial? So horses, carriages, market sounds, all these normal things for that time. When she looks into the shop window, she isn't wearing modern clothes anymore. She's wearing a period dress, but it was her body, different hair, thinner body. And again not observing she's inhabiting that time period. It only lasts a few minutes then it snaps back no fanfare no angels or anything just gone. And she later posts about it online because she doesn't know what else to do with it so obviously you go to the internet.

41:53 And that's another recurring theme here is that people share these experiences not to convince anyone but because they need to put them somewhere. And a reply comes in almost immediately. Another person walking through woods near a remote dorm felt the world tilt and suddenly sees Native Americans running through the trees shouting just like hunting as if as if he's walked through the middle of a moment that has nothing to do with him. Then it's over. Wow. And he's not even claiming ancestry or anything. You're like, oh my Native American spirit guide. He's just saying this happened. I don't know what else to do with it. Did any of them recognize him? Did he mention that? Or did they just ran past? No, it was just some quick thing and that was it. These are the ones that get me are these mundane ones. What do you do? Do you go home? You know, if you're walking in the woods, you see that. Do you just go home after that or do you keep going? Probably. Go home, take a shower, take a nap and then just restart your day. Sure.

42:46 Some of the creepiest stories aren't bigger dramatic like that they're just quiet little nothingness yeah this guy's walking from his living room to the kitchen he glances into the bedroom as he passes in a room he sees it's a room he sees every day except this time it's not his bedroom to nineteen hundred bedroom is old boots neatly tucked into the bed is a wash basin a water pitcher the bedding that looks handmade you like that quilt look at colony yeah. Furniture that belongs in a museum not his apartment he doesn't even step inside he just looks and even that brief glance feels stretched like time slows down just enough to let the details register and then. Same wall same room same life no explanation no repeat of this.

43:30 If you've ever had a moment like that, where something is wrong for just long enough to unsettle you, then you know how badly that would stick with you. Which is why people need somewhere to go and tell these stories, because they're like, it only matters to me. It's like we always say talking about dreams, only you really know how that felt and why that dream stuck with you, even though it seems mundane. I can tell you right now if I walk past my bedroom and saw that for long enough to register all those details, it'd be very unsettling. Very unsettling. And now I'm thinking of the guy who takes the Bernstein Bears book and walks into his bedroom and it changes to Bernstein Bears. Have you seen this? Yeah. So he back and forth through the threshold of his door and objects change to what we would have called the Mandela effects earlier timeline. You know, the one where Mandela died in prison. Very interesting. I've seen that video but is that

43:30 If you've ever had a moment like that, where something is wrong for just long enough to unsettle you, then you know how badly that would stick with you. Which is why people need somewhere to go and tell these stories, because they're like, it only matters to me. It's like we always say talking about dreams, only you really know how that felt and why that dream stuck with you, even though it seems mundane. I can tell you right now if I walk past my bedroom and saw that for long enough to register all those details, it'd be very unsettling. Very unsettling. And now I'm thinking of the guy who takes the Bernstein Bears book and walks into his bedroom and it changes to Bernstein Bears. Have you seen this? Yeah. So he back and forth through the threshold of his door and objects change to what we would have called the Mandela effects earlier timeline. You know, the one where Mandela died in prison. Very interesting. I've seen that video but is that

44:23 I mean this is i think i saw a video before a i was real prominent but if anybody knows i'm talking about it is a weird video but it's like hard to tell if things like that are messed with in some way but sure yeah it is weird and that whole mandela effect the berenstein bears is the first one i ever heard of And I could swear to all the gods on a stack of Bibles that it was Berenstein. Yes, with an E. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yep. Even I'll have to get into Mandela effects sometimes. There's something interesting going on there for sure. And the parallels are wild and they just keep coming. They're deeper and deeper every time we look at it. I think I told you about that when I might have mentioned it on the show too, but the biggest one I noticed myself was that I could swear

45:06 that Thanksgiving was the third Thursday of November. My whole life. My whole life. There's some really interesting ones that will pull you off the wall about it. And that's one, the cornucopia was another one, the monocle is a great one, the dash between kit and cat's a great one. You've just got so many interesting things and the fact that they are simply pop culture or logos or something very innocuous. Movies oftentimes as well. And that one trips me out. All the mirror mirror on the wall. You've got, and then other folks who will then repeat that exact myth thing that never existed and why would they? Right, like Tommy Boy in cartoons will do a lot of that, like you love me, you really love me, those kind of things. You like me, you really like me, the Sally Field do.

45:48 And then you have the animaniacs that did it so really interesting stuff and then you have all those folks like on Tommy was my favorite example you got all that set crew writers everybody how many takes it take for them to do that one scene and no one corrected him that it's not that line from star wars it's now i am your father not no. No, not Luke. Luke, I am your father. Weird. A lot of those are attributed to misremembering. I'm sure a lot of those are, but there's some of them like the cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom.

46:24 That i was everyday in the nineties yes those are under underwear man one hundred percent had a cornucopia on it and i can watch a couple videos of people finding their old like t-shirts or underwear and it's if they're the weirdest part is that through the loom refuses to acknowledge it was. ever on there. They even went so far as to make a post that showed all their logos over the years since they were a company and none of them have the cornucopia. It's like, okay, you're just messing with us now, right? Because a lot of people remember it being there. Why would something so random, why would you lie about that or try to hide it? it, you know? Yes, Fruity Loops, Looney Tunes, you have the way that they're spelled, all of those things like they're phonetically the same but the spelling of it changed to something ridiculous. When they were Tunes, T-O-O-N-S, which makes sense. Now it's T-U-N-E-S, which is weird. It's things like that where they'll change little things but it, I don't know, I don't know what it does and like I said, I know we spent a little time on it here but we have got to get into that sometime because it's fascinating. Just one of those things you're like, what? Why?

47:26 Just why why why so now we're in scotland walking along a disused railroad railway line. It's a couple kids they've done it done this dozens of times the station ahead is abandoned the roof half gone and it's been empty for years. And they play there sometimes, but this time as they come out of a tunnel the station is like alive. There's smoke rising from the chimney, the doors open, this man with a thick Victorian mustache pulls back a curtain and looks straight at them. And he wasn't ghostly or translucent, it's just a guy doing things in his own time. With a sick one bro, I'm sure. And these kids don't bother to investigate, they just panic and run.

47:26 Just why why why so now we're in scotland walking along a disused railroad railway line. It's a couple kids they've done it done this dozens of times the station ahead is abandoned the roof half gone and it's been empty for years. And they play there sometimes, but this time as they come out of a tunnel the station is like alive. There's smoke rising from the chimney, the doors open, this man with a thick Victorian mustache pulls back a curtain and looks straight at them. And he wasn't ghostly or translucent, it's just a guy doing things in his own time. With a sick one bro, I'm sure. And these kids don't bother to investigate, they just panic and run.

48:09 And later when they pass by again from above standing on a bridge, the station is derelict again, just empty and broken. And the comment under, I guess there's a video of this, just says, we all saw it. And so that's another pattern worth noting is multiple witnesses, especially children who don't really have this cultural mindset yet for time slips. It's just something they saw again. Just reporting it like they see it. And then there's New York. A woman is walking near central park turns down a normal cross street not an alley not somewhere sketchy and just takes one step and everything vanishes. No buildings no cars no city noise nothing is just trees field there's a dirt road with these deep ruts in it a low dark brown house with a fence and a horse drawn buck board creaking down the road under the weight of a bunch of wooden crates that are on the back of it so she's standing in dirt and then.

49:09 Guess what happens? The fear hits. And not the fear of the scene she's seeing, she's terrified of being trapped and not speaking the right way or being institutionalized because she's in that In that's yeah you have this recognition of shit how am i gonna survive here you know i don't blend in i'm gonna be burned as a witch or something. Yeah so she does the only thing that makes sense she walks backwards. So she takes a step back and instantly she's back on fifth avenue traffic noise of people a man bumps into her because she's moving the wrong way get out of here so she apologizes and everything looks normal she gets into a cab but leaves the city as fast as she can.

49:54 And even though she calls it fascinating shells are called it terrifying because once you realize that the world can do that even once. The floor doesn't quite feel solid anymore yes this is psychedelics for me i just did something in me that was like ok things are just not what they say yeah. Then we move on to this section in his little collection, Dirk's collection of stories. The pattern is pretty hard to ignore. These experiences don't just cluster around history, they cluster around emotionally charged states in places that were already important long before we showed up with cameras and backpacks. Because now we're not talking about suburbs or schools or city streets anymore, we're talking about places that were built on purpose.

49:54 And even though she calls it fascinating shells are called it terrifying because once you realize that the world can do that even once. The floor doesn't quite feel solid anymore yes this is psychedelics for me i just did something in me that was like ok things are just not what they say yeah. Then we move on to this section in his little collection, Dirk's collection of stories. The pattern is pretty hard to ignore. These experiences don't just cluster around history, they cluster around emotionally charged states in places that were already important long before we showed up with cameras and backpacks. Because now we're not talking about suburbs or schools or city streets anymore, we're talking about places that were built on purpose.

50:36 This one stands out. It's one of the cleanest modern Akashic bleed through cases I've ever come across because it checks almost every box without trying to be dramatic. So a family visits Tikal, the ancient Mayan city in Guatemala. It's a high tourist season. There's crowds everywhere. Nothing spooky particularly in the air. Just the heat ruins and of course people snapping photos. Around lunchtime they sit down near a small unremarkable ruin, not one of the famous temples and not a ceremonial structure or anything like that, just this modest building at ground level. The kind most people would walk past without looking at it twice. The guy that's telling the story finishes eating quickly and asks if anyone wants to look inside.

51:21 Only their aunt agrees, everyone else stays outside. So inside they walk through a few small doorways, nothing unusual at first, then they realize something's off and it's the Oz effect. It's too quiet. And it says not quiet. Yes, not a peaceful quiet, a wrong quiet. So no tourists or footsteps, no echoing voices coming through the stones or anything, just silence. They get nervous and decide to head back. As they pass through one of the doorways, they see something that absolutely was not there a moment ago. A painting. And it was fresh. It wasn't an old museum piece. It was like this fresh painting. And it shows people standing around, or standing and sitting around a plaza.

52:04 It was like an ancient Mayan market scene. The colors are vibrant and very recently applied. You can still see the brush strokes. That's wild. Man, imagine that. That's cool because you don't hear them many times since South American Mayan temples. This is great. And you'd think you would actually. Yeah, actually you would. Of all places. So then as they're staring at this random painting that popped up they realize the entire room is changed the walls are no longer this washed out grey stone there a deep rivet vet who rivet bed take two red. And it's painted painted a deep red the place looks inhabited. It looks maintained and like in use and then they hear voices a lot of them.

52:48 It's a language they don't understand, but it's clearly humans. Just a casual conversation style thing they're hearing. Like a crowd going about their daily business, if you can imagine that in Maya. A lot of clicks and stuff probably, huh? Yeah. I think that's Africa actually. I don't know. They probably had some clicks. And neither one of these two people panic. They don't run or anything. They don't shout. They don't even really say anything. They slip into what is described as a trance-like state. So that's probably important. Time seems to stretch and collapse at the same time. The seconds feel like hours, but also the inverse. Hours feel like seconds. So it's that in-betweenness. I think I've described that to you before where it was like, it could have been a thousand years. It also could have been like a half second. That's what it feels like to these guys or people. So they just stand there and staring and listening.

53:45 Eventually one of them snaps out of it and says something like we should go back to the family and just like that they leave. So they come outside and their family's like where have you been? They've been gone a half hour in a, they're both like just buzzing, just talking over each other, insisting everybody should come see what they just saw. And they know exactly how to get back to this red room except they can't find it of course. They retrace every step, every doorway, everything. The room's just gone. And there is a room that sort of matches the structure but it's grey. In old and weathered looking, in one wall, there's the faintest trace of what might have been a painting almost completely eroded away. That's it. But not in the spot the guys remembered? Well, they said it's a room that sort of matches what they remember that room to look like, but it just

54:36 it just looks so much different. Yeah, it's odd too though to think you could run by a wall that had been walled up and you know of a room that should be there. There should be a door right there. If you guys dig right there, there's this huge room with this badass painting right there. Yeah. So the rest of the family just laughs it off and you know, through your imagination. But the two that went in there, they do not. They still talked about it years later because both of them knew exactly what they saw. And what makes this case so strong is that it lines up perfectly with what archaeologists already know. Many ancient sites were deliberately built on specific energy locations like ley lines, dowsing, groundwater intersections, geomagnetic anomalies, however you want to think about these energy lines.

55:19 And Dirk, he's not overreaching here, he's just pointing out the obvious that if any place on earth was designed to interact with altered states of consciousness, it would probably be somewhere like Tikal. Can't argue, I mean, even I think, is it Stonehenge and places like that that are built on? Supposed to lay lines or energy intersections? Yeah, and I've heard that the Avery circle is a lot better than Stonehenge. Because Stonehenge has been torn down, rebuilt a bunch of times, concrete. You know, the magic's kind of gone. It's more of a tourist trap so they keep people out of Avery, is what I've heard. Hmm. Yeah. Avery the Magic Cleath. We should go there. I really want to go to Gobekli Tepe and see what that's all about. All this shit. Let's check it all off. Plus members, let's get together. Everybody will do these group trips and we'll just fly around the world and see this cool shit with our own eyes, alright?

55:19 And Dirk, he's not overreaching here, he's just pointing out the obvious that if any place on earth was designed to interact with altered states of consciousness, it would probably be somewhere like Tikal. Can't argue, I mean, even I think, is it Stonehenge and places like that that are built on? Supposed to lay lines or energy intersections? Yeah, and I've heard that the Avery circle is a lot better than Stonehenge. Because Stonehenge has been torn down, rebuilt a bunch of times, concrete. You know, the magic's kind of gone. It's more of a tourist trap so they keep people out of Avery, is what I've heard. Hmm. Yeah. Avery the Magic Cleath. We should go there. I really want to go to Gobekli Tepe and see what that's all about. All this shit. Let's check it all off. Plus members, let's get together. Everybody will do these group trips and we'll just fly around the world and see this cool shit with our own eyes, alright?

56:04 I just want to go there to see what it... for lack of a better word, what it feels like. I'm not looking to time slip or anything, I'm actually okay with that. I'd rather just tell stories about that, but I want to go there to see if it feels different, especially the pyramids. I don't think they let people anymore, but I'd love to go inside the pyramid and just see what it feels like in there. You can go in there, yeah. You can absolutely go in there. Let's check it out. We're there. Sure. You know the right people, you give the right amount of cash, it's all accessible, man. Yeah. Absolutely. So there's a couple more stories here. There's a woman driving in Michigan at night with her five-year-old daughter, again, totally mundane. She's a little sleepy, focused on the road, and then bang, it's daylight. And it's people in 1800s clothing everywhere. There's a woman pushing an old-fashioned baby carriage, which is creepy. Those old-fashioned baby carriages are super creepy. It might just be from movies, but I think they're creepy. So she slams on the brakes,

56:04 I just want to go there to see what it... for lack of a better word, what it feels like. I'm not looking to time slip or anything, I'm actually okay with that. I'd rather just tell stories about that, but I want to go there to see if it feels different, especially the pyramids. I don't think they let people anymore, but I'd love to go inside the pyramid and just see what it feels like in there. You can go in there, yeah. You can absolutely go in there. Let's check it out. We're there. Sure. You know the right people, you give the right amount of cash, it's all accessible, man. Yeah. Absolutely. So there's a couple more stories here. There's a woman driving in Michigan at night with her five-year-old daughter, again, totally mundane. She's a little sleepy, focused on the road, and then bang, it's daylight. And it's people in 1800s clothing everywhere. There's a woman pushing an old-fashioned baby carriage, which is creepy. Those old-fashioned baby carriages are super creepy. It might just be from movies, but I think they're creepy. So she slams on the brakes,

57:01 And she checks the car, she looks at her daughter, the inside of the vehicle hasn't changed and she hasn't changed, just the world outside the windows. And seconds later it's gone again, back to night, back to empty roads. And this almost because she was like sleepy and kind of road hypnosis, it does make me think that she like dreamed for a half second. But again, that kind of a vivid thing, I don't know. Maybe you're tired. Chalk it off as just a dream. I'll go full devil's advocate and say like maybe a passing car, you know, its lights were really bright and on and it flashed in her eyes and then she just had this vision or maybe that triggered some sort of something either inside her or in the area as well and then she just had this ability to see or experience but again it could be pretty sleep-induced. And then that's another thing too, putting folks in this fatigued state does trigger these kind of things and experiments have been done, put them in that state first and then we get to work.

57:56 And it's interesting when stuff like that happens, you know, the DMT androgynous DMT within you, especially when you're fatigued and on long haul drives like that. It's dangerous, man. Well, I know that the hypnagogic state anyway, I've experienced this myself, totally, totally dead sober. Right before you go to sleep. I know everybody knows this but you'll experience weird stuff. Yeah, like it happens I can hear music sometimes it's like your your brain is just like going between different channels and maybe yeah It's passing all the channels so it can get to off mode Yeah, another great one involves a woman riding on the top deck of a double-decker bus in London, and this is back in the 1950s. She's sitting there when suddenly she's not enclosed anymore. She's exposed to open air. She looks around. The bus is now a horse-drawn omnibus. What? That she was on? Was she still on the second level of it? Did they have double-decker horse-drawn buses back then?

57:56 And it's interesting when stuff like that happens, you know, the DMT androgynous DMT within you, especially when you're fatigued and on long haul drives like that. It's dangerous, man. Well, I know that the hypnagogic state anyway, I've experienced this myself, totally, totally dead sober. Right before you go to sleep. I know everybody knows this but you'll experience weird stuff. Yeah, like it happens I can hear music sometimes it's like your your brain is just like going between different channels and maybe yeah It's passing all the channels so it can get to off mode Yeah, another great one involves a woman riding on the top deck of a double-decker bus in London, and this is back in the 1950s. She's sitting there when suddenly she's not enclosed anymore. She's exposed to open air. She looks around. The bus is now a horse-drawn omnibus. What? That she was on? Was she still on the second level of it? Did they have double-decker horse-drawn buses back then?

58:52 I don't know. She's floating in the air, you know, like 10 feet above the ground. Like there was nothing like that at that time. She's now flying through the air that we knew of, right? So yeah, the street again has shifted to early pre-Victorian London. Why does it always go back to this time period? I don't know. It's so interesting. And everyone around here is dressed like that. Long dresses, these frock coats, no modern noise, you know, honks or beeps or people yelling the F word. So she panics and tries to talk to the woman sitting next to her. Women sitting next to her and they don't respond neither and not really or dismissively just nothing like they don't hear and she can't really tell if they can see her either. But a few minutes later, she's back where she belongs back on the bus normal city. She only tells a handful of people decades later someone searches online and discovers entire archives of time slip accounts describing almost identical experiences. So it seems like a lot of these little

59:45 hit it and quit it stories are really similar where they're just a normal thing, couple seconds, maybe a couple minutes of the scene change and then it just goes away and you're back to normal. So bizarre, so bizarre. And this would make you question more than anything because yeah, because in your sitting here going, hang on, is reality that malleable? Can this just happen to me at any time now? Or did something happen to me and now I'm more susceptible to it? Like my radio now just can go wonky. Yeah, like if you can do it once, are you more easily, I don't know, takeoverable? Exactly. That's it. Yeah. So by the time you're done reading all these little stories he compiled here, Dirk, he's not trying to convince you of like a neat, tidy, put it in a box explanation. He's doing something way more old school and probably more honest than that actually. He's saying, look at the pattern first because when you step back from the individual stories,

59:45 hit it and quit it stories are really similar where they're just a normal thing, couple seconds, maybe a couple minutes of the scene change and then it just goes away and you're back to normal. So bizarre, so bizarre. And this would make you question more than anything because yeah, because in your sitting here going, hang on, is reality that malleable? Can this just happen to me at any time now? Or did something happen to me and now I'm more susceptible to it? Like my radio now just can go wonky. Yeah, like if you can do it once, are you more easily, I don't know, takeoverable? Exactly. That's it. Yeah. So by the time you're done reading all these little stories he compiled here, Dirk, he's not trying to convince you of like a neat, tidy, put it in a box explanation. He's doing something way more old school and probably more honest than that actually. He's saying, look at the pattern first because when you step back from the individual stories,

1:00:38 So from the organ vortex thing to vanish schools the colonial streets the red room in the mind the red room in the mind ruins the hospital words all these weird stories they stop feeling like random paranormal anecdotes and start feeling like variations on a singular like malfunction in again not ghost or hallucinations or I guess not time travel in the sci-fi sense it's more like reality is briefly forgetting to stay in its lane. It's just moving for a second and then going, oh shit, and going back. And it's like there's an adjustment bureau that sort of comes in and goes, hey, we got a red alarm. This chick's in a red room in a Mayan temple she's not supposed to be in. You know, fix it, right? Great movie. Solve it. And then there's like, oh shit. And then it just sort of shifts back. And maybe, yeah, you do take priority. And also you think this idea of the veil being thin in some places, but also at some times. And again, is this sort of

1:01:34 I anticipation of great change in our realm is this part of it is this slipping this sort of fracture of stability is that part of this it seems like a. Is it a feature or a bug? Right, right. That's the question right there. Is it supposed to be like this? Is it broken? Yeah. One of the other things that stands out here is that most of these people aren't looking for an experience. They're not like a cultist doing ritual. They're not Crowley in the desert, you know? Right. Mmm, yes. They're not trying to astral project or do any of this and most of them don't even believe in this stuff. they're either tired or stressed or emotionally drained, just distracted in general. And that's exactly the kind of state where the brain stops being rigid and starts being a little more porous. Some people call that the flow state maybe. Yeah, you can accept new information there. Now layer that on top of certain locations with these mental states, places with deep historical

1:02:33 context or repeated human emotion or trauma or you name it just it seems to be that pattern. And his suggestions that it starts to feel less wooey and a little more mechanical and not in a you know magic type of way just resonance and that does seem to go back to a lot of things frequency, resonance, vibration, all of it. So this is where the Akashic idea actually kind of keeps up with this is not as a mystical library but as kind of almost like informational residue like reality keeps this memory buffer whether we want it to or not most of the time we can't access it but under the right conditions it just kind of leaks through

1:03:19 And sometimes, and this is the part that really messes with people, is the leak goes both ways. Like we said at the beginning, you know, where Nick Nelson hears, oh Jesus, whispered in his ear. Yeah. That wasn't just a passive recording, that was another human being reacting in real time from another time. Yeah, seeing this dude blip into his, which is freaky. Yeah, and that's kind of Charles Fort territory too. I mean, he spent his entire career collecting things that shouldn't happen, but just do. And he didn't try to explain them away either. He treated them like error messages, data points from a system that didn't want to admit it was flawed maybe. Like Mandela effects. Yeah. So, yeah, so it's just more like the present is thinner than we think and maybe just things bleed through once in a while if you're in the right state in the right spot. And you'd think a lot more of this would happen.

1:04:14 Like you and maybe it doesn't we just don't hear about it because of the reasons we talked about because people are just. Scared to they think it was just a hallucination or they were just sleepy you know like who knows it probably does happen more than we think. Yeah i want to spouse to leave them they don't want their kids to get taken away from him cuz people think they're crazy then i was a job there's all sorts of reasons why folks would keep something like this especially based on their programming you and i are a little more flexible this happened. to you or i could shut up about it like i'd be calling you immediately but that's just different right you and i've worked through that bit of programming to where we feel comfortable enough to relay things we're actually seeing and experiencing not a lot of folks can say that but i feel times like that like what you articulate is it it's similar to the missing time phenomena where now folks who weren't looking for it have something that they need to face in their life and maybe make some changes or ask some different questions and this is a great way to get folks off of their

1:05:05 stable path this is a wonderful pattern interrupts your interrupter and I think it's perhaps provided by the realm like you said is it a glitch or a feature either way it produces change in people which is perhaps the whole point. What's the weird thing about these the way that he comes at these stories is that there are a lot quicker their less involved they're not their detailed but not in a calm complicated way they're just right it's like it something that clearly happened but it was there and then it wasn't and I don't know what else to say about it and that's probably how I would tell a story like that if it happened to me it just be like I don't know what to make of this is what I saw this is what happened and then it stopped happening right yep the end.